Comments on: Never ending piles of prahok

By: Resource Management in Asia-Pacific News » Resource Management in Asia-Pacific

Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:47:30 +0000

[...] Fish comes in as a close second to rice as Cambodia’s most important food stuff, and is usually fermented into fish paste known as prahoc. Cambodia’s foremost food blogger and Australia expatriate has the low down on this fishy treat [...]

By: Graham

Graham — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:36:40 +0000

Did you catch this on prahok on the CPI blog?

http://clearpathinternational.org/cpiblog/archives/000890.php

By: Phil

Phil — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:25:37 +0000

I tend to follow the transcrption that I first learnt, which is close to the Library of Congress version(I think). It isn't directly reversible, so anything that I transcribe couldn't be directly transcribed back into Khmer. The best description as to why Khmer is so difficult to transcribe into Roman characters is at Everything2:

The Khmer alphabet is the largest alphabet in the world (Guinness Book of World Records, 1995). It consists of 33 consonants, 23 vowels and 12 independent vowels. The 23 main consonants are separated into 2 groups: the first series (small sound) and second series (big sound). Furthermore, each consonant has two representations, regular and subscript (like upper and lower case, except in most cases the two do not resemble one another at all). Lastly, 10 of the most used consonants have a more "formal" appearance when written in titles, in advertising, on temple walls, etc. Hence, there are 101 distinct symbols. Each of the 23 vowels has two distinct sounds, one when it is paired with a consonant from the first series and another when it is paired with a consonant from the second series. Sometimes, a vowel takes on a third sound when the pairing is followed by a certain other consonant. Confused yet? Too bad. There is more. There are 6 accents that change all rules and add even more vowel sounds. They appear over top of words and act to either shorten, lengthen or emphasize sounds. The bontop looks a lot like a straightened out apostrophe, shortens a vowel sound, at the same time altering it. The bontop pii, which looks like two straightened apostrophes, (pii=two), changes the sound of a first series consonant to a second series sound. There is another symbol to change the sound of a second series consonant to a first series, but this only applies to a limited number. The other 3 accents occur infrequently. Khmer words are written without spaces in between.

It makes me thankful that the language isn't tonal as well.

By: Jinja

Jinja — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:04:10 +0000

The two main ones are the “Franco-Khmer Transcription System” by Franklin Huffman, based largely on the transcription approach used in colonial times.

Then there’s the Saveros Pou system, which many academics use, it’s quite precise. There are variants; a simplified version of the former is used by the Library of Congress.

Much ink has been spilled on the merits of different transliteration systems, but when you go to a book of academic articles, most editors let contributors pick their transcription approach rather than requiring them to conform to a particular standard. (Too much effort to make all those changes!)

By: Paul

Paul — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:20:41 +0000

Why don’t you guys make up a standard for translation of Khmer? It’s a good idea, so we all can have the same spelling standard.

By: Ed

Ed — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:25:15 +0000

Not as far as i’m aware but I may misapprpriate it. On this thought I perhaps should make one about soaking the Australian flag in beer but peharps BBQ or sweet chilli sauce may be a better idea or I could just wrap it in prans until the smell pervades…

By: Sary

Sary — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:10:37 +0000

Hi Phil and Ed,
Have any one ever making a joke about soaking the French flag in wine and their smelly cheese?!

By: Phil

Phil — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:24:59 +0000

I use “k” (as in spelling, not the popular horse tranquiliser). There is no standard for transliteration of Khmer and I make it worse by not being able to read Khmer script.

I approve of most travels that don’t break international treaties.

By: Ed

Ed — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:07:44 +0000

Actually I think it was another Joke of yours I saw about the national flag (which I forget) and I thought I was being original with the soaking the national flag joke – or maybe I read it and kept t in my subconscious. You are right about the lack of online resources and multiple spellings – prahoc or prahok? Amok or Amoc? This seems to be the only place to get some solid info. Incidentally, I’m writing something else on Phnom Penh and shall give you a plug although you may not approve of my travels.